“For in him we live, and move, and have our being. As some of your own poets have said.”
Acts 17:28 (WEB) — Paul at the Areopagus, quoting the Athenians’ own poets back to them.
In the gamePick the part of the opponent’s case that is true and affirm it. That point can no longer be used against you, and the opponent’s Defend falls sharply. It deals no damage. Affirm something false and you have only agreed with an error.
“First he bringeth in the school doctors and all that ever may be said for transubstantiation as strongly as is possible to be reasoned, and as much as can be alleged for it.”
Nicholas Udall, translator’s preface, describing the method of Peter Martyr Vermigli, A Discourse concerning the Sacrament of the Lord’s Supper (Oxford, 1549; London, 1550), EEBO-TCP, public domain; spelling modernised.public domain
As Strongly As Possible
RationalityArgument · power 80 · 100% accurateIn the gameHis translator describes the method of the Oxford treatise. First Vermigli sets out the whole case for transubstantiation, the best the schoolmen had. Then he gives his own reasons, and then he answers their arguments one by one.
“We shall therefore begin at the opinion of transubstantiation, partly because it is of the grosser sort, and partly because it is but of a late time…”
Peter Martyr Vermigli, A Discourse concerning the Sacrament of the Lord’s Supper (Oxford, 1549; English trans. Nicholas Udall, London, 1550), EEBO-TCP, public domain; spelling modernised.public domain
But of a Late Time
HistoryArgument · power 82 · 100% accurateIn the gameAccused of teaching something new, he pointed at the doctrine he was answering. The word transubstantiation was defined at the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215, twelve centuries after the apostles.
Strong against
×2.5The Charge of Noveltyan argument · why?
The charge turns round. Transubstantiation was defined in 1215. Vermigli began with it at Oxford partly because it was the newer doctrine in the room.
“For the Lord’s body wherein he arose must needs be in one place: but his truth is dispersed, and spread abroad in all places.”
Augustine, Tractates on John 30, as quoted in Peter Martyr Vermigli, A Discourse concerning the Sacrament of the Lord’s Supper (Oxford, 1549; English trans. Nicholas Udall, London, 1550), EEBO-TCP, public domain; spelling modernised.public domain
His Body in One Place
ChristologyArgument · power 86 · 100% accurateIn the gameVermigli answered with Augustine. Christ’s risen body is a real human body, so it is in one place, at the right hand of the Father. What reaches every table is his truth and his Spirit, not his flesh spread everywhere.
Strong against
×2.5An Apology of the Church of Englanda book · why?
Jewel gives this very saying of Augustine’s in his Apology: Christ’s Godhead is everywhere, but his body must be in one place.