“And as the sun with its light and its heat is not called three suns but one sun, so also God with His Word and His Spirit is not three Gods but is and is called one God.”
Timothy I, Apology for Christianity (trans. Alphonse Mingana, Woodbrooke Studies 2, 1928, public domain).public domain
Sun, Light and Heat
Theology ProperArgument · power 70 · 100% accurateIn the gameThe Caliph called it his favourite of Timothy’s illustrations. One sun, and nobody counts the light and the heat as two more suns.
Strong against
×2"That’s Three Gods"an argument · why?
Timothy told the caliph that the sun, its light and its heat are not three suns but one. In the same way, God with his Word and his Spirit is one God.
“For in him we live, and move, and have our being. As some of your own poets have said.”
Acts 17:28 (WEB) — Paul at the Areopagus, quoting the Athenians’ own poets back to them.
In the gamePick the part of the opponent’s case that is true and affirm it. That point can no longer be used against you, and the opponent’s Defend falls sharply. It deals no damage. Affirm something false and you have only agreed with an error.
“It is imperative that signs and miracles should be annulled by other signs and miracles… Since signs and miracles are proofs of the will of God, the conclusion drawn from their absence in your Book is well known to your Majesty.”
Timothy I, Apology (trans. Mingana, 1928, public domain). (trimmed quote)public domain
Signs and Miracles
RationalityArgument · power 66 · 100% accurateIn the gameAsk what would confirm a claim, then ask whether it happened. Timothy applies the same test to his own book first.
Strong against
×3Al-Ajwiba al-Fakhiraan argument · why?
A reply is not the same as an answer. Timothy asks what would actually CONFIRM a claim, and applies that test to his own book before he ever applies it to yours.
“So far as Muhammad is concerned I have not received a single testimony either from Jesus Christ or from the Gospel which would refer to his name or to his works.”
Timothy I, Apology (trans. Mingana, 1928, public domain). He also said Muhammad walked in the path of the prophets; the two answers are one answer.public domain
“Muhammad is worthy of all praise, by all reasonable people, O my Sovereign. He walked in the path of the prophets, and trod in the track of the lovers of God.”
Timothy I, Apology (trans. Mingana, 1928, public domain). He also said no testimony of Christ or the Gospel names him; the two answers are one answer.public domain
No Testimony Found
HistoryArgument · power 68 · 100% accurateIn the gameAsked directly, in the Caliph’s own hall, what he made of Muhammad. He answered twice and meant both answers.
“No, our King, Jesus did go up to heaven a long time ago, and has been sent again alive, as your Book also testifies. If He went up it is obvious that He had died previously, and if He had died, it is known that He had died by crucifixion, as the Prophets had stated before His coming.”
Timothy I, Apology (trans. Mingana, 1928, public domain). The batch supplied this ending as “as the Prophets had said”; Mingana reads “had stated before His coming.”public domain
He Went Up, So He Went Down
RationalityArgument · power 74 · 100% accurateIn the gameStart from what the other man already grants and follow it where it goes. He was taken up — so he had died, and the death was the one the prophets described.
Strong against
×2.5Taken Up, Not Put to Deathan argument · why?
You cannot go up without first having gone. The ascension he grants requires the death he denies.
“O our victorious King, in this world we are all of us as in a dark house in the middle of the night. If at night and in a dark house a precious pearl happens to fall in the midst of people… every one would strive to pick up the pearl, which will not fall to the lot of all but to the lot of one only.”
Timothy I, Apology, close of the Second Day (trans. Mingana, 1928, public domain). (trimmed quote)public domain
“As the lustre of a pearl is somewhat visible even in the darkness of the night, so also the rays of the true faith shine to some extent even in the darkness and the fog of the present world.”
Timothy I, Apology (trans. Mingana, 1928, public domain) — the half that stops the parable becoming “everyone is equally right.”public domain
The Pearl in the Dark House
FaithArgument · power 80 · 100% accurateIn the gameA pearl dropped in a dark room. Everyone is reaching, everyone is certain, and one of them has it. Said to the man holding the power in the room, on the last night of the debate.
“The Christians never have had and will never have such deadly enemies as the Jews… No; the truth is that neither we nor the Jews have ever tampered with the Books. Our mutual hostility is the best guarantee to our statement.”
Timothy I before the Caliph al-Mahdī, Baghdad 781, trans. Alphonse Mingana, Woodbrooke Studies 2 (1928), public domain. (trimmed quote)public domain
Our Mutual Hostility
RationalityArgument · power 88 · 100% accurateIn the gameTurns two thousand years of enmity into a guarantee. If Christians and Jews had ever been capable of agreeing on anything, they might have agreed on a corrupted text. They were not, and they read the same one.